tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post2134860429286840347..comments2022-11-11T10:12:34.497-05:00Comments on Player Vs Auction House: The Case for Bot FarmersAzurielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16581263347888757710noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-5469948197212235142011-01-29T15:22:56.162-05:002011-01-29T15:22:56.162-05:00No worries, Kreaton, you can put links in the comm...No worries, Kreaton, you can put links in the comments. <br /><br />@Anon, I completely forgot about the "low-grade" botting like Glider, etc, and was mainly referring to seeing those guys zipping around the map inside the terrain features. It's funny, but I personally don't have a problem with the former, as they are unlikely to actually farm enough to impact any human-piloted gatherers, even if they leave the bot running all night or whatever. Technically, I don't even have a problem with the no-clip botters either since I prefer cheap materials vs what we would have to endure if every stack of Obsidium were priced at a level that would make Mining worth as much time-wise as, say, a JC.Azurielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16581263347888757710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-72509913654316452542011-01-29T13:44:41.068-05:002011-01-29T13:44:41.068-05:00Urgh, my last post is so hugly too see! I don'...Urgh, my last post is so hugly too see! I don't know why I didn't separate paragraphs more, I'm sorry... I hope you'll read it anyway.Kreatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571831836241277782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-5889566801788889122011-01-29T13:43:14.994-05:002011-01-29T13:43:14.994-05:00Hi!
I think you're server is really similar to...Hi!<br />I think you're server is really similar to mine, but I've seen that things goes quite different in other server.<br />The thing is, if a server lacks a good number of bots, people farms more and the price of everything is quite acceptable and never great. <br />When bots are flooding the market, everyone drops gathering professions, or try to pretend they don't have them. <br />This explains what's happening to Heartblossoms in you server, opposed to the 175g/stack Kammler is reporting: people stopped farming with herbalism, and they stopped also in the only market not taken by bots.<br />I talked about the situation of my server in a lot of posts in my blog, I hope you won't mind if I put some links in my comment... Delete if you wish to do so, just don't judge me badly! This is the last one with some numbers: <a href="http://notsosecretsociety.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-should-i-do.html" rel="nofollow">What should I do?</a>.<br />I also noticed that the difference in price between Obsidium Ores and Obsidium Bars tends to increase due to people botting: less real players care about mining, and so they don't even smelt. This is why I suggested <a href="http://notsosecretsociety.blogspot.com/2011/01/selling-obsidium-bars.html" rel="nofollow">Selling Obsidium Bars</a> in another post.<br />And when I'm saying "huge difference", on my server Ally-side Obsidium Ores can be found at less than 40g/stack (I don't bother buying them if it costs more), while Obsidium Bars go for 160-185g/stack.<br />Horde-side there aren't so many botters, and guess what? Obsidium Ores cost a lot more, but making Obsidium Bars doesn't give any profit: a stack costs exactly as the amount you need to make it.<br />This is because most miners will try to sell Ores or Bars depending on what sells best, but won't go and check for low priced Ores just to turn them in Bars. I'm nearly the only one on my server doing that! There are other 3 or 4, but they don't do it consistently.Kreatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571831836241277782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-41605060943832258452011-01-28T23:37:03.003-05:002011-01-28T23:37:03.003-05:00"Wrong: As the author mentioned, there is a l..."Wrong: As the author mentioned, there is a level requirement to get there. Bots are often well under the typical level for a zone. You are far more likely to see bots in Twilight Highlands."<br /><br />You can't really tell me I'm wrong when I bot there myself and see many others doing the same. <br /><br />I admit there are bots that speed hack and no clip which makes Twilight Highlands not a problem. However, a large number of bots don't have these advantages and are appropriate level for the zone they are farming. For bots like these, Deepholm is often a better to choice to avoid being killed by mobs, ganked by players and reported for botting. <br /><br />I said nothing about seeing more bots in Deepholm, just pointing out that there are in fact bots there also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-66889233471942654252011-01-28T20:48:53.472-05:002011-01-28T20:48:53.472-05:00"From a botting standpoint, Heartblossom is n..."From a botting standpoint, Heartblossom is no different than any other herb. In fact, Deepholme is less of a hot spot for farming and bots can actually have an easier time there with less competition."<br /><br />Wrong: As the author mentioned, there is a level requirement to get there. Bots are often well under the typical level for a zone. You are far more likely to see bots in Twilight Highlands.Mister Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14051158904257052963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-43820441461468111592011-01-28T16:44:07.014-05:002011-01-28T16:44:07.014-05:00From a botting standpoint, Heartblossom is no diff...From a botting standpoint, Heartblossom is no different than any other herb. In fact, Deepholme is less of a hot spot for farming and bots can actually have an easier time there with less competition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-90691347575109782582011-01-28T15:35:55.277-05:002011-01-28T15:35:55.277-05:00A necessary evil, I suppose? It would really be gr...A necessary evil, I suppose? It would really be great if there were some way of finding out ahead of time about "ban waves". I understand why Blizzard is as tight-lipped as they are about their procedures, but I don't really see much harm in letting us know it is coming. In some cases, the looming threat could actually scare some of them away.<br /><br />Anyway, if we saw it coming, it would be much easier to know when to stock up and plan ahead in order to effectively manipulate the markets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935547461251083572.post-83109699767204714382011-01-28T02:00:50.589-05:002011-01-28T02:00:50.589-05:00I guess I'm not very adept at identifying bot ...I guess I'm not very adept at identifying bot farmers. Or maybe we don't have any on my server? Nah, I think I'm just not really aware of them.<br /><br />I've never thought much about why the variations in supply might occur outside of day of week or time of day--and for God's sake, if I ever saw 54g stacks of Obsidium I would buy it all. Your post did give me pause to consider other factors though.<br /><br />Heartblossom is about 175g/stack on my server. And there are lots of folks farming. I've tried early morning, late night, mid-day--there is always someone out there racing me to nodes. <br /><br />You make an astute point about the supply chain. When I have to stop and farm I don't get as many DEs done, so fewer gems appear on the AH. That makes their value go up for a short time. But it seems EVERYONE then farms and the supply is soon replenished, so the high profit window is narrow.<br /><br />I hired an ore farmer today, agreeing to buy all the Obsidium she could gather for 80g/stack. My margins at that price are sustainable. Up to 12 stacks/day is our agreement and excess she can list on the AH. So far so good. <br /><br />What I have done thus far is to anticipate the down-market impact of low supply. It takes time for the crafted item auctions to expire after the materials supply dries up. <br /><br />For example, Redsteel Breastplate goes for around 280g-320g when supplies of Elementium ore and bars are high. When supplies of ore go down, most stacks then list north of 125g/stack and up, so material cost of this item rises considerably--200g for the bars and another 180g for the Vol Earth. If I can buy a Breastplate for 280g before it expires, I can flip it for 400g fairly easily during these low supply time. <br /><br />Or, if I farm a stack and a half (easy to do in about half an hour) when other Breastplates are listed at 350g and up I can sell for 300g and make a profit.<br /><br />I do need to pay more attention to these fluctuations in the supply of farmed mats but there is still some profit to be made by anticipating the "spill over" effect of these variations on down-market goods.<br /><br />"Eat Mor Chiken" said the cow.Kammlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052373093776001210noreply@blogger.com